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    Default Long Lines...

    Finally was able to get down to the property and see where the well has been dug in relation to the proposed location of the house. 130 ft. away.

    So, what's better/worse? A long run from the bottom of the well to the water/solar shed? Or a long run between shed and house?

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    Default Re: Long Lines...

    FYI:
    total depth: 175'
    Static depth: 53'
    Gpm: 50+

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    Water lines or electric?
    That sort of well will have a submersible pump, so the distance won't be a problem for the pump (if it's the right size).
    If electric lines, it's a matter what Voltage you're working with.
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    Default Re: Long Lines...

    Also, are you looking for 50 gpm or something a lot slower ("slow" pumping into cistern or similar).

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    Refering back to your other post. I think I must have you confused a bit. Your well is as close to your house as my neighbors. Think you understand it some. Put grundfus pump in well, connect to pitless adapter, put short piece of plastic pipe on adapter end outside well, connect T fitting to that plastic pipe, connect plastic pipe and run to house pressure tank. Have pressure switch connected to pressure storage tank. Run electric line for well from that pressure switch back to well buryed with the pipe. Bring were up to top of well casing and run wire back down pipe to pump in well. Get one of those fire hydrants that I told you about and connect to that previously mentioned. That handle on it isn,t a pump, You pull up on it to turn on valve and close it back up to shut off the valve, It is designed so it won,t freeze up in cold weather. The valve part is under the ground and drains out the water when you shut off the valve so it won,t freeze. You could run a hose into your big storage tank for irigation and fire protection service. What I meant about having 2 storage pressure tanks or one big one was to save your pump from cycling as much. ! big pressure tank is probably just fine. In my personal case I have a crawl space basement and don,t have enough hight for as large a tank as I would like to have. Hope this will clarify what I was trying to explain previously. Your distances are just fine. Someone here that knows more about the grundfos pumps can probably help you chose the right pump on whether you want a 5 gal minute pump or a 10 gal minute pump. solarvic
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    Default Re: Long Lines...

    I figure a longer water line is better than a longer electric line to the house... voltage drop and all.

    vic... how is thewater at the hydrant pressurized?

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    Your in well submersable pump will presurize the hydrant. Why you put the Tee in the line from pitless adapter. Very simple when you think of it. If you use a 240 volt pump you won,t have much voltage drop for a grunfos pump. Before I got my new doublewide a few years ago I had to move my old trailer about 250 ft from the well so I could get basement built and has temporary wire on top of ground so I could have tempory water. So with about 300 ft of wire my 230 volt 3/4 hp pump run fine. You basicaly use the firehydrant as an outside valve to put a hose on to do anything outside like wash car, spray the garden or fill the big storage tank in your solar shed. Don,t know your plans for the big storage tank, but if you use water directly from the well it will be fresher and won,t have the problems that come from using water from the big tank you will have in the shed. Only use that water for fire fighting and irigation purposes. solarvic
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    Here is my current setup in order, works well, in order.
    well 300 feet deep, 200 feet static water level.
    10 gpm 240 pump
    pitless adapter and pressure tank at well
    cistern on a T fitting with float to shut input off when it's full, this also feeds my water tanks for livestock so the water doesn't just sit for extended time. A one way valve could keep this from from draining to the house if necessary.
    house and then 2 hydrants
    ALL are pressured by the same pressure tank
    pump has a pressure switch on it so it shuts off when the pressure exceeds 40 lbs and kicks on at 25 pounds
    This way I have storage and pressure on the same system
    a hydrant is NOT very productive without pressure.
    now the downside, if you open a hydrant it will affect the house pressure to a degree

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    Just a quick nit - re the "fire hydrant" it's a Field Hydrant, or Frost Proof Hydrant. The handle on the top operates a self-draining valve underground, preventing it from freezing in the field. Not for drinking water. I've only seen them up to 3/4" pipe & 6' deep.
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    They make the hydrants up to 1 1/4 inch. I have heard them called fire hydrants, frost free hydrants and freeze proff hydrants. why can,t you drink water from then? Most any state park in Pa. has them and people drink water from them all the time. A lot of cemstary,s have them so people can water thier flowers. Maybe it is a california thing but people in Pa. have a few more freedoms to do what they want. solarvic Realy not critizing you but people in different parts of the country have different names for things. Here we call a bottle of coke POP, Down South they call it SODA. I ask for a bottle of POP in North Carolina and they didn.t know what I wanted. Since my brother lived there He told the guy I wanted a soda.
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